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My Recent Posts · 12/17/08

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5-0 SB run at end made it closer. We're not playing that badly but are simply getting outshot. We just aren't great shooters.

What I want to know is how the hell Somogyi's alley oop dunk got waived off?!?! They gave him a T for hanging on the rim. They aren't supposed to waive of the basket right? Fall and Mahoney were going nuts over this.

We can beat these guys if we can get it going offensively, but like I predicted, we're going to lose this because of the refs who apparently don't even know the rules.

My Recent Posts · 12/17/08

We're roaring back.....hopefully.

My Recent Posts · 12/17/08

Getting close.

EC, how are you watching the game?

My Recent Posts · 12/17/08

Disappointing.

We're in for another tough roadie at San Diego State before the Holidays.

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DodgerSoul wrote:
how are you watching the game?

I was watching from the Big Sky feed. Little late now though, for obvious reasons.

My Recent Posts · 12/17/08

I watched the Big Sky tv feed off and on. It was kind of tempermental for me. I predicted we'd lose a close one because of the refs, and while they made a few bad calls, we lost because we are a poor shooting team and we made poor decisions down the stretch.

I still wish Fall had asked Bob in the post-game interview about Somogyi's dunk being waived off. Their explanation during the game that the refs just didn't know what the rule was isn't going to cut it.

The most illustrative moment of this game was a possession we had where Powell missed 4 consecutive wide open 3s after we kept grabbing the offensive board. Byrd was an absolute force on the glass. The Weber announcers were comparing him to Rodman. On the negative side, he nor Serna nor Devine did a very good job of stopping Spanos for them inside.

Another very key moment was when Weber's coach got a T with about 4 minutes to go and us trailing by 6. Powell hit both technical FTs. Then we followed that up with 2 terrible possession and Weber scored 5pts on there's. Devine forced a shot down low that got swated and then got the ball taken away from him. We threw the ball out of bounds on the next play. Devine really played well at the end though and kept us in the game.

Bob was very disapointed in how we played the game mentally tonight. He didn't name any names, but he was pissed at his vets. You could tell by the plays he referred to that he was talking about Powell, whom he benched twice tonight. If Powell isn't shooting it well, he's a liability out there as he doesn't do much else and is prone to making a lot of dumb plays. Bob specifically referred to his unnecessary foul of their best ft shooter in the closing minutes and a horrible turnover he made.

Somogyi looked good when he was out there. He hit two jumpers and a free throw. Unfortunately the refs were out to get him as he got in foul trouble quickly and had the mystery of the vanishing alley oop. Foul trouble is what did us in after poor shooting. Devine barely played in the first half, while Byrd and Serna each were in foul trouble. On the other hand, Weber had 2 guys foul out.

It believe we shot 20% from 3. You have to do better than that in the college game. I like our young guys, and I think we'll get better this year and should be very good next year, but we need to get some shooters. Outside of Powell, there really isn't a great shooter on the team. Hopefully Pastorek can step in and be a Mark Hullish big guy 3pt shooter.

By the way, who thinks that Jesse Byrd might be our best player? Keep up the great effort Byrd Man!

I'm disapointed by the loss but am still looking forward to Saturday's tough game and seeing how we'll respond.

My Recent Posts · 12/18/08

Let me start by saying the Dee Center is a great place to watch college basketball. Those were by far the best seats I've ever had behind the basket. You could see and hear everything. If we ever get the money to re-do the Campus Event Center, we need to look at Dee Center blue prints. Just take that place and shrink it down to 6500-6800 seats. That place is truely a Thunderdome.... less the thunder.

Ok, to the game. I'm really pissed right now that I'm not really pissed. What is wrong with me? Am I too rational and thinking about the future? There is zero doubt in my mind that we were the more talented team on the court tonight. I can't believe we lost to those guys.... We were the better team....

The two biggest turning points in the game... IMHO... 1). Devine picked up a quick, silly second foul and coach having to sit him most of the remaining first half. Once CD sat, Weber State was much more effective inside and built a nice lead. That sucked. The second biggest point was what EC mentioned... 2). JP missing those four open looks from three that could have put us up by a point. That would have been huge. We kept climbing the mountain and as soon as we took a lead I think the game would have changed. What do you do? I can't believe I had Weber St fans yelling in my ear begging JP to shot. Dude, what are they thinking? Simply an off night by Powell.

EC, I had a pretty good look at the Somogyi dunk/Technical play. It was a tough call. If GS dunks the ball, scores and then hangs, no T. Unfortunately the ball hit the heel so the ball didn't go in the hoop until after GS hung from the rim. Trust me, I saw the play clearly. The refs are in a tough position because they either have to say no T, shot is good or T and shot no good. I would have called the shot off but no T. but.... that is not an option. I understand that call, I don't understand the call against Devine late... that charge... that sucked.. I'm not going to blame the refs this game, that does no good. Lots of bad calls in this game but.... it seemed like they followed every bad call with a "make up" call.

I just got back from the bars and haven't looked at the box score.... I'm afraid. I can't believe how many offensive rebounds we got... how many 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances..... again I can't believe we lost to these guys. When have we ever got so many rebounds on the offensive end and lost.

Jesse was a beast the first four minutes... I think he had probably 7 boards... EC you are right, he is our best player right now. I love the guy.

We needed to take the ball inside much more often. Jesse and Chris owned those guys.

Chris is a warrior but sometimes he tries too hard. I don't know how to phrase it.... this front line of Weber St wasn't UNC or Utah St. He didn't need to manuever so much... just take it up and get the foul..... I'm not blaming him but I just think he should have been to the line more often.... like Byrd.... not blaming the refs here.

JP had an off night which really should have forced us inside more. Nope. Brew had a nice pass into Serna early. I thought Will played within himself...... Nice three by Weiner at the end of first half gave us momentum going into locker room.

This was a much easier game to win on the road then the Aztecs Saturday..... I was hoping for a split...... Huge first weekend in Jan.... at LB friday night and day game at UCR Sunday.... still don't know why that was moved to afternoon. Afraid Bowl game might hurt attendance?

Guys, I don't think I can watch things rationally right now. I should be pissed and I'm not.

Phippen had a bad game. He started off good but it just seems like he is out hustled too often. Loose balls, weak side rebounds..... I get mad at him a lot. Somogyi had back to back fouls against him.... one was a good call, one was bad.....

A win in San Diego Saturday would be huge. I'll be there with the boy... this would be a great win heading into Long Beach and Conference play.... Off to see the box score and the abuse we're going to take on the Big West board.

My Recent Posts · 12/18/08

With Devine and BYRD! doing well in the paint, and Smogyi and Serna backing them up, maybe its time Roemer gets a fews minutes at the 2 spot and Weiner gets the rest of the non-Powell minutes at the two. (ex- 25 min for Powell, 5 for Roemer(+17 @ the 1 spot-23 for Brew), 10 for Weiner). Everytime its late in the game and we need points, Weiner gets shoved in there and seems to do well. We need to take advantage of our inside out opportunities. It also makes us a bit better of a FT shooting team.

BMac's minute spread: 10- man rotation, nobody averages over 30 minutes, we are fresh come March, no tired legs.

1: Brew 23, Roemer 17
2: Powell 25, Roemer 5, Weiner 10
3: Posley 20, Nunnally 20
4/5 (80 min): Devine 29, Byrd 27, Serna 13, Somogyi 11

My Recent Posts · 12/20/08

I think Chief... has it right. I thought I was about the only Gaucho in the purple house.

The description of Somogyi's dunk/technical seems right to me. If he'd just hung on the basket, it would've counted; but as Chief says, it bounced up off the rim and settled back in -- but Somogyi's hands were on the rim -- thereby making it a basket interference call plus a technical. (What they didn't consider was that he was undercut when he made that shot and hung from the rim in part to keep from falling. No matter, it wasn't allowed and the T cost us another point and a possession. Overall a five point swing.

James Powell's four shot sequence told it all. He took four 3's in less than a minute and they were clunkers. He was just a little off and they rattled off the rim. To our credit, our guys got the offensive rebounds and James was standing in the same place so they threw it back to him -- and he took it again. I am sure he was demoralized by the end of the sequence and the Wildcats were energized that they'd missed a bullet.

Weber State was tall across the front and we played as if they were shorter. Our passes inside were not effective and were often deflected or intercepted. We have to find a way to play against big men. They looked a lot like Utah State's inside players and the result was the same.

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Posts: 3066 12/17/08 7:54 PM M.A.M.S.N.A.D.E.D. Loco	Tags : None 5-0 SB run at end made it closer. We're not playing that badly but are simply getting outshot. We just aren't great shooters. What I want to know is how the hell Somogyi's alley oop dunk got waived off?!?! They gave him a T for hanging on the rim. They aren't supposed to waive of the basket right? Fall and Mahoney were going nuts over this. We can beat these guys if we can get it going offensively, but like I predicted, we're going to lose this because of the refs who apparently don't even know the rules.
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Posts: 306 12/17/08 8:51 PM Gaucho Junior	Getting close. EC, how are you watching the game? Last Edited By: DodgerSoul 12/17/08 8:56 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 593 12/17/08 9:13 PM Veteran Gaucho Loco	DodgerSoul wrote: how are you watching the game? I was watching from the Big Sky feed. Little late now though, for obvious reasons.
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Posts: 3067 12/17/08 9:40 PM M.A.M.S.N.A.D.E.D. Loco	I watched the Big Sky tv feed off and on. It was kind of tempermental for me. I predicted we'd lose a close one because of the refs, and while they made a few bad calls, we lost because we are a poor shooting team and we made poor decisions down the stretch. I still wish Fall had asked Bob in the post-game interview about Somogyi's dunk being waived off. Their explanation during the game that the refs just didn't know what the rule was isn't going to cut it. The most illustrative moment of this game was a possession we had where Powell missed 4 consecutive wide open 3s after we kept grabbing the offensive board. Byrd was an absolute force on the glass. The Weber announcers were comparing him to Rodman. On the negative side, he nor Serna nor Devine did a very good job of stopping Spanos for them inside. Another very key moment was when Weber's coach got a T with about 4 minutes to go and us trailing by 6. Powell hit both technical FTs. Then we followed that up with 2 terrible possession and Weber scored 5pts on there's. Devine forced a shot down low that got swated and then got the ball taken away from him. We threw the ball out of bounds on the next play. Devine really played well at the end though and kept us in the game. Bob was very disapointed in how we played the game mentally tonight. He didn't name any names, but he was pissed at his vets. You could tell by the plays he referred to that he was talking about Powell, whom he benched twice tonight. If Powell isn't shooting it well, he's a liability out there as he doesn't do much else and is prone to making a lot of dumb plays. Bob specifically referred to his unnecessary foul of their best ft shooter in the closing minutes and a horrible turnover he made. Somogyi looked good when he was out there. He hit two jumpers and a free throw. Unfortunately the refs were out to get him as he got in foul trouble quickly and had the mystery of the vanishing alley oop. Foul trouble is what did us in after poor shooting. Devine barely played in the first half, while Byrd and Serna each were in foul trouble. On the other hand, Weber had 2 guys foul out. It believe we shot 20% from 3. You have to do better than that in the college game. I like our young guys, and I think we'll get better this year and should be very good next year, but we need to get some shooters. Outside of Powell, there really isn't a great shooter on the team. Hopefully Pastorek can step in and be a Mark Hullish big guy 3pt shooter. By the way, who thinks that Jesse Byrd might be our best player? Keep up the great effort Byrd Man! I'm disapointed by the loss but am still looking forward to Saturday's tough game and seeing how we'll respond.
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Posts: 1692 12/18/08 12:26 AM Gaucho Ambassador	Let me start by saying the Dee Center is a great place to watch college basketball. Those were by far the best seats I've ever had behind the basket. You could see and hear everything. If we ever get the money to re-do the Campus Event Center, we need to look at Dee Center blue prints. Just take that place and shrink it down to 6500-6800 seats. That place is truely a Thunderdome.... less the thunder. Ok, to the game. I'm really pissed right now that I'm not really pissed. What is wrong with me? Am I too rational and thinking about the future? There is zero doubt in my mind that we were the more talented team on the court tonight. I can't believe we lost to those guys.... We were the better team.... The two biggest turning points in the game... IMHO... 1). Devine picked up a quick, silly second foul and coach having to sit him most of the remaining first half. Once CD sat, Weber State was much more effective inside and built a nice lead. That sucked. The second biggest point was what EC mentioned... 2). JP missing those four open looks from three that could have put us up by a point. That would have been huge. We kept climbing the mountain and as soon as we took a lead I think the game would have changed. What do you do? I can't believe I had Weber St fans yelling in my ear begging JP to shot. Dude, what are they thinking? Simply an off night by Powell. EC, I had a pretty good look at the Somogyi dunk/Technical play. It was a tough call. If GS dunks the ball, scores and then hangs, no T. Unfortunately the ball hit the heel so the ball didn't go in the hoop until after GS hung from the rim. Trust me, I saw the play clearly. The refs are in a tough position because they either have to say no T, shot is good or T and shot no good. I would have called the shot off but no T. but.... that is not an option. I understand that call, I don't understand the call against Devine late... that charge... that sucked.. I'm not going to blame the refs this game, that does no good. Lots of bad calls in this game but.... it seemed like they followed every bad call with a "make up" call. I just got back from the bars and haven't looked at the box score.... I'm afraid. I can't believe how many offensive rebounds we got... how many 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances..... again I can't believe we lost to these guys. When have we ever got so many rebounds on the offensive end and lost. Jesse was a beast the first four minutes... I think he had probably 7 boards... EC you are right, he is our best player right now. I love the guy. We needed to take the ball inside much more often. Jesse and Chris owned those guys. Chris is a warrior but sometimes he tries too hard. I don't know how to phrase it.... this front line of Weber St wasn't UNC or Utah St. He didn't need to manuever so much... just take it up and get the foul..... I'm not blaming him but I just think he should have been to the line more often.... like Byrd.... not blaming the refs here. JP had an off night which really should have forced us inside more. Nope. Brew had a nice pass into Serna early. I thought Will played within himself...... Nice three by Weiner at the end of first half gave us momentum going into locker room. This was a much easier game to win on the road then the Aztecs Saturday..... I was hoping for a split...... Huge first weekend in Jan.... at LB friday night and day game at UCR Sunday.... still don't know why that was moved to afternoon. Afraid Bowl game might hurt attendance? Guys, I don't think I can watch things rationally right now. I should be pissed and I'm not. Phippen had a bad game. He started off good but it just seems like he is out hustled too often. Loose balls, weak side rebounds..... I get mad at him a lot. Somogyi had back to back fouls against him.... one was a good call, one was bad..... A win in San Diego Saturday would be huge. I'll be there with the boy... this would be a great win heading into Long Beach and Conference play.... Off to see the box score and the abuse we're going to take on the Big West board.
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Posts: 1591 12/18/08 2:17 AM Institutionalized Gaucho	With Devine and BYRD! doing well in the paint, and Smogyi and Serna backing them up, maybe its time Roemer gets a fews minutes at the 2 spot and Weiner gets the rest of the non-Powell minutes at the two. (ex- 25 min for Powell, 5 for Roemer(+17 @ the 1 spot-23 for Brew), 10 for Weiner). Everytime its late in the game and we need points, Weiner gets shoved in there and seems to do well. We need to take advantage of our inside out opportunities. It also makes us a bit better of a FT shooting team. BMac's minute spread: 10- man rotation, nobody averages over 30 minutes, we are fresh come March, no tired legs. 1: Brew 23, Roemer 17 2: Powell 25, Roemer 5, Weiner 10 3: Posley 20, Nunnally 20 4/5 (80 min): Devine 29, Byrd 27, Serna 13, Somogyi 11
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Posts: 87 12/20/08 10:17 AM Gaucho Sophomore	I think Chief... has it right. I thought I was about the only Gaucho in the purple house. The description of Somogyi's dunk/technical seems right to me. If he'd just hung on the basket, it would've counted; but as Chief says, it bounced up off the rim and settled back in -- but Somogyi's hands were on the rim -- thereby making it a basket interference call plus a technical. (What they didn't consider was that he was undercut when he made that shot and hung from the rim in part to keep from falling. No matter, it wasn't allowed and the T cost us another point and a possession. Overall a five point swing. James Powell's four shot sequence told it all. He took four 3's in less than a minute and they were clunkers. He was just a little off and they rattled off the rim. To our credit, our guys got the offensive rebounds and James was standing in the same place so they threw it back to him -- and he took it again. I am sure he was demoralized by the end of the sequence and the Wildcats were energized that they'd missed a bullet. Weber State was tall across the front and we played as if they were shorter. Our passes inside were not effective and were often deflected or intercepted. We have to find a way to play against big men. They looked a lot like Utah State's inside players and the result was the same.
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37 29 Weber ht	12/17/08 7:54 PM	ECGaucho
Now 40-38 with 15:50	12/17/08 8:14 PM	AlwaysAGaucho
67-63, :32 WS	12/17/08 8:51 PM	DodgerSoul
Over we lost 70-63	12/17/08 9:03 PM	AlwaysAGaucho
Re: 37 29 Weber ht	12/17/08 9:13 PM	GauchoDude
Gauchos Lose	12/17/08 9:40 PM	ECGaucho
Recap...	12/18/08 12:26 AM	chiefstinkyfinger
Recap...	12/20/08 10:17 AM	maven12
shooters	12/18/08 2:17 AM	BMac02

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